If you were in charge of your country...

black_magnolia wrote:

knumpcy wrote:

The Native Americans did it quite well in this country before the greedy Europeans took over this country(it is called the Barter System), and there are enough resources in the US to sustain itself, America chooses to use the resources of other countries as not to deplete its own and hire cheap labor abroad as well. As for the Controlled substances I am referring to Cannabis, coca, and other forms that other countries and individuals are profiting from.

There aren't enough resources to sustain it. Production factors are nature, capital, labour and time. America may have natural resources, which in some parts are heavily \"injured\" by practising mono-cultures (which won't work in a barter system). You need people who will work. That is also one reason why America takes people from abroad, no one is willing to do heavy physical labour therefore immigration is welcomed, and there is always a demand for educated staff...

Referring to the drugs, only criminals are profiting from it, not other countries, so it's more of a matter of the efficiency of your law enforcement and jurisdiction how much your country loses in that matter.

Also, a barter system would mean that you would cut your country off from the whole world (if the world doesn't want to go back there with you). So that would mean no travel because you can't come into example France and try to exchange a duck for 3 kilos of croissant.
The whole range of technology would also be useless, because if you have a barter system that means that every family has to work in agriculture or some trade to have something to barter with.
Example, you produce ducks and you need cotton, but the man that produces cotton doesn't need duck, so you will lose a lot of time till you get your cotton by exchanging your ducks. In the mean time that you were trying to exchange your ducks, you weren't home and a pack of fox ate all the ducks that you had home...

Regarding children, you will need lots of them if you want to go back to basics with agriculture and a barter system... (who will work in such a country if you cut it off from the world?)

Considering slackers, you want that everyone works? Easy, pass a law about it. (Btw. we had that in the East Block, it nicely backfires in your face.)

Marx's ideas about communism would fit in nicely with the whole idea of a self-sustaining country, nobody needing more then necessary etc.
Oh, history, how did that end up? Yeah, right, people are \"wolfs\" so we had 5-year plans in which it was calculated that for example a person needs 2 pairs of shoes per year etc. etc. we need n-number of shoes produced and in the end you have that n-number of shoes but all are size 9... I won't go into much detail here about 5-year plans and other communist economy tactics, because I have better stuff to do then give history lessons.

Also, in such a self-sustaining system, there is not only none sense in technology but also none in clothing diversity and other luxury, so bye bye goths...

knumpcy wrote:

a simple look into pasts brilliance may give you better light...Remember that what you are learning today is dictated to you and is controlled...Challenge at every stage of your existence and know right from wrong. The leaders of today are apart of the same ones from the last(1900's) century that have planned their control out well..Without freewill you are mute and I do not recognize you...Good Day!

Oh, pardon me, again, who did you say you were?

communism this ism and other ignorance and lack of creativity and still relying on a system that is failing every country today. Then again look who I am dealing with and your little snipes are tedious...

knumpcy wrote:

communism this ism and other ignorance and lack of creativity and still relying on a system that is failing every country today. Then again look who I am dealing with and your little snipes are tedious...

English isn't my mother tongue, so would please someone tell me what he wanted to say with the above? *facepalm*

I believe he's calling you ignorant with a lack of creativity and relying on a system that is failing every country today.

Or he could be talking about how current government systems are failing every country today whilst calling you ignorant with a lack of creativity.

He then goes on to say you aimed something along the lines of an insult at him and that is getting tedious mostly likely in regards to your comment of \"Oh pardon me, again, who did you say you were?\" (side note: If I'm interpreting you correctly, I agree here that he is not one to judge others)

Anyway, that's my interpretation, I had some difficulties in understanding him too, so he could feel free to correct me on any point.

Kuroboshi wrote:

I believe he's calling you ignorant with a lack of creativity and relying on a system that is failing every country today.

Or he could be talking about how current government systems are failing every country today whilst calling you ignorant with a lack of creativity.

He then goes on to say you aimed something along the lines of an insult at him and that is getting tedious mostly likely in regards to your comment of \"Oh pardon me, again, who did you say you were?\" (side note: If I'm interpreting you correctly, I agree here that he is not one to judge others)

Anyway, that's my interpretation, I had some difficulties in understanding him too, so he could feel free to correct me on any point.

Thanks for the attempt!
I'm mostly perplexed by that \"communism\" mention... Is he thinking about communism as 'a system that is failing every country today' or is he referring to the monetary system with that statement, but then what did he at all want to say with \"communism\"?

I believe the communism mention comes from where you mentioned it in your post.

I don't know whether you were comparing some of his ideas to communism or not, or saying that his system would work well under a communist regime (these seem likely, apologies if this is not your intent, can you clear that up for me?)

His post suffers from poor grammar. At a guess, I'd assume he's calling you ignorant for the mention of communism (if you were indeed comparing some of his ideas to it) then he may be referring to the monetary system as failing every country today.

These are all just guesses however, based upon a vague post with no clear meaning.

Ah, had to go and reread what I wrote. Sorry, I wasn't very specific in my earlier post so someone that isn't familiar with Marx, socialism, communism and 20th century East European history wouldn't really get it. edit: I forgot to mention that a doze of understanding sarcasm would have also been good in understanding. :silly:

I'll try not to bore you with too much detail.

Basically, Marx's original ideas were pretty good, quite utopian, but what Lenin and Stalin did with his ideas wasn't at all what Marx would have liked... Marx expected the UK and other technologically advanced countries to be the first to form a socialistic society not Russia etc. Sadly, Marx' ideas were mutilated to fit a autocratic regime...

To put it in some context with what knumpcy said, if you abolish the monetary system and go back to a barter system then you will soon probably be forced to go back to a monetary system because of all the problems with the exchange of goods when having a barter system. Therefore the problem is really the whole concept of ownership, especially private ownership.

Here I'd like to mention the Native Americans. When Colombo came to America the Natives he met didn't know of private ownership, they gave Colombo and their man everything they could. The problem was they thought it was normal to give like that and naturally to take; naturally without asking because why ask if ownership doesn't mean anything? So, you can imagine what Colombo & co. thought about some barbarians stealing from them and how they solved that... (hint: gunpowder and bullets)

Hope this now makes more sense to you.
I wasn't really comparing his ideas to communism. Communism wasn't all bad, but it became too repressive due to a handful of people that lost their ideals to a power addiction...
Mind you, I intentionally mentioned communism because I know how Americans got brainwashed that communism is evil etc. so I wanted to see what the reaction will be from someone who is preaching \"Remember that what you are learning today is dictated to you and is controlled...Challenge at every stage of your existence and know right from wrong....\" etc.